Me: Yesterday really wearied my soul about the church. I feel disheartened that our churches are so disconnected with the mission of God (and/or overwhelmed with other concerns) that not one of the churches said... let me talk to my pastor, let me see if we have funds to help, I could call a friend, "are they hungry?" i could give them food, etc. It just made me feel heartbroken and disappointed in some way
granted I only spoke with 10 churches but people were so short and dismissal
A: Yeah
it is really sad. I guess it just is something that has changed in
church culture. Before the church was the institution that took care of
those people in need because they saw it as their mission and because
there was no one else to do it. The government didnt reach out to those
people. There werent non-profit organizations. The church was the non
profit. Now that governments have taken on the task and non profits are
in place provide services for those in need, I guess the culture or
manifestation of church aid has changed dramatically. As
far as providing shelter and keeping clothes on hand are concerned. It
is definitely no excuse for a church not to ask "What can we do?" or
provide anything that they can
there
are plenty of churches that rush to aid that way. But I suppose it is
just not the majority. Which means we are in a really sad situation. I
think my church growing up was more that way. They went and fed under
the bridge every saturday. They had clothing drives and if someone came
by they could find something for them or there was food in the kitchen that they would make for them. I blame it on watered down American Christianity.
Me: yeah,
I feel like non-profits have let church culture off the hook in way
that is actually really detrimental to our mission of community, it
actually cedes a lot of power from the church to demonstrate Christ ... I
mean there are lots of models of Christian communities existing as
spaces of mutual aid and resistance... I've just been thinking a lot
lately about the simple way, worship as activism, a church that is
planted in a place and is a community center...like
reading Dorothy Day's book about the catholic worker (and the place I
worked too-- which was set up to be like that)... it was just like, if
someone with need shows up, we pitch in to do what we can- and the
simple way community in philly operated the same way, occupying an old
empty church building and refusing to empty it.
Me: I know there are places doing the work, I just feel betrayed by what Christianity can look like, like you said-- watered down/institutionalized church that kind of follows rules of what church does and doesn't exist simply asking "how would love be manifested in this situation?"
Me: I know there are places doing the work, I just feel betrayed by what Christianity can look like, like you said-- watered down/institutionalized church that kind of follows rules of what church does and doesn't exist simply asking "how would love be manifested in this situation?"
Jesus'
life and teachings demand a response that if taken seriously would be
radical... and I am still learning how to respond faithfully
A: It's
true. I dont know when it happened or how it happened but I think with
the dissolution of true community, a consequence was the dissolution of
the community church. I dont know which came first. I have actually
never seen what you are describing before. Which is really sad.
We
have like three churches on one block where I am from. there are
churches on every corner. there was never just one that served a place
but like bunches all over.
And
my church was in like a baptist minsiters union so we did have
connection to other churches but never the ones right next to you which
is probably a product of denominational separation. I really dont know.
But like a church as a community center, I cant say that I can name one but where I am from, we dont really have communities to speak of but that's beside the point, I think the problem is that American churches do not emphasize service as a means of serving God. He says time and time to take care of those in need. And we either ignore it, or just focus on evangelizing, or focus on working within the church, or simply focus on ourselves :/
But like a church as a community center, I cant say that I can name one but where I am from, we dont really have communities to speak of but that's beside the point, I think the problem is that American churches do not emphasize service as a means of serving God. He says time and time to take care of those in need. And we either ignore it, or just focus on evangelizing, or focus on working within the church, or simply focus on ourselves :/
A: Well
I think Amazing Grace Church is an example of that. They are completely
engaged in the McElderry Park Community. They provide services and
resources for people in the neighborhood and I thihk they do an amazing
job of being a service, community oriented, outreach as mission kind of
church.
Me: yes
to all the things you said- Amazing Grace is fantastic, they're what
I'd call a community church, I should of called them. And New Song
Ministries runs Martha's Place and an Arts center.
I
think there are some churches doing their best. and Alex mentioned too
how churches having lost their younger groups makes it so they have a
lot less money to work with which is true. (ugh, money.)
There
is a church where i went to school that was also a homeless drop-in
center... and at church on Sunday there would be homeless folks,
children, college students, community members and even cats and dogs
it was fantastic.
